I'm John Bachelor with Gordon Chag. This is CBS Island the World and

we're conversing with Mark Clifford, president of the Committee for Freedom in Hong Kong Foundation,

author of a forthcoming book about Jimmy Lye, who's about to be sentenced again for unclear what I should now say. it's just not crimes for being a critic of the People's

Republic of China on the mainland as a publisher in Hong Kong of a newspaper, The Apple, Daily, that told the facts about the people

of Hong Kong seeking democracy as promised in 1997 for the hand over to the People's Republic of China

from the British Commonwealth.

However, we come now to what is to be done.

Mark, the comments here are puzzling because Jimmy Lye and

the other Democrats who are being charged seven at least but there are many more.

Have not in any fashion been violent or criminal or anything but victims of lawfare.

That's how this is generally understood.

Is there something that can be done outside of the People's Republic of China?

We started with conversations about how Ambassador Burns has protested the abuse that the Chinese foreign

ministry visits upon his embassy and people who want to attend embassy

events in man in Hong Kong in in China and in Beijing. So it made front page news

here and the Chinese foreign ministry is all a flutter. They're running around

so is there something comparable? The

Chinese, the People's Republic of China seems especially sensitive to

criticism. Is that going to help?

I think criticism is absolutely vital and I think that the kind of support that Hong Kongers and that other mainland dissidents and Uyghurs and Tibetans have gotten abroad is a vital lifeline.

We see it in the US Congress with a move for sanctions.

Gordon talked about reciprocity.

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