I'm John Bachelors with Anatole even the Quincy Institute for Responsible State Craft,

a conversation with his colleagues Volkon Streck, Malle O'Neil, Matias, about the European Union

vote but the specifics of Ukraine depend upon where you are on the map. I notice Anatole that Volkestrach of the Max Planks Institute

is that Ukraine is a very important issue for Germany because while there might be nuclear

weapons in Germany Germany is not a nuclear power and Germany is closer to

Ukraine than say France or England or Spain.

And also the Wolfgang, the Olaf Schulz government,

at this point one day committed,

Zidenvendeth, the next day maybe not so committed, going back and forth.

Your measure of how Ukraine factored into the European vote in general, was the drift

toward the right a rejection of Ukraine, an endorsement of the status quo,

a vote of no confidence in the leadership of the European Commission.

What was it?

Well, it wasn't really explicitly about Ukraine at all, except on the part of alternative for Deutschland, the radical right in Germany, and a new moderate

but anti-war party, the Saravagan-Keked Alliance, which is more a left-wing, you know, anti-war party.

They did run largely on, you know, opposition to continued support for Ukraine.

But I think more to the point is that there is, you know, reflected in the rise of the radical right is this feeling that we you know that

the most important issues are domestic. They're about migration, they are about integration, they are about

integration, they are about living standards and the economy and that does tend to create a or

or to well it stem from a wider mood that we've got to reduce our commitments we've got to reduce our commitments.

We've got to reduce our commitments to Ukraine.

We've got to reduce our commitment to action against climate change.

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