I'm John Bachelorette, my colleague and friend Judy Dempsey of the Carnegie Endowment for International

Peace.

She's in Berlin.

Europe Union is in the middle of two wars on the Eurasian world island.

Two wars is one to many, probably two to many, but right now there's evidence of destabilization

everywhere, especially in the arguments presented by leaders of the Middle East and leaders

of Asia, I'm thinking of Moscow and Beijing.

We come to Norm Mure, executive director in the National Affairs at the Kerber Stiftung,

and she's very thoughtful making a list of how vulnerable Europe is right now because

of the Middle Eastern conflict watching this.

It's a list that involves common sense, and again she points to the rift between Europe

and the global south.

Judy, I've not been watching this properly because I've been reporting on the global

south as a migrant story, the movement north to the European continent, the move from Turkey

and to Greece, the move from Colombia to Panama to the American border.

I've been watching that story of the global south.

Is the global south understood as a political entity in Europe?

Is it addressed in some fashion collectively by European leaders?

Unfortunately, yes, because I don't think the global south should be dealt with collectively.

These are individual countries with their own cultures and with how they see their problems,

whether it's climate change, whether it's the huge demographic changes, whether it's

military coups, whether it's corruption, so many other aspects.

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