I'm John Batchel. I'm visiting with Jonathan Hartley of the Civitas Institute, and he is a Canadian citizen and born in Ontario.

I'm learning your geography, John, so forgive me if I say the obvious. But in any event, we're discussing not just the election, which we believe is imminent, but it needs to be in 2025, but also the vision of Canada by the electorate right now with choices between energy, energy-rich country and net zero, the ambition to do something positive about global warming or climate

change. And John, I interrupted with you when you were about to speak to the conservative

and liberal debate of these last years, which is quite different from the conservative and

liberal of America, very different approaches. The conservative position, as I understand it, from the outside and liberal of America, very different approaches.

The conservative position, as I understand it, from the outside,

is about developing the resources, especially of the West.

What else is it that Mr. Polovra is taking to the people,

presuming the vote is soon enough?

We have a few minutes.

Yes.

Well, you know, I'd say, you know, one thing that

really defines, I'd say, you know, Pierre Paulyaz's approach. He's, he's very much, you know,

I'd say a free market conservative in the sense that he's very much focused on, you know,

freeing up, you know, Canadian resources, you mentioned in the energy sector, but really, you know, freeing up workers, freeing up people in the economy and thinking about, you know, Canada, Canadian housing is extremely expensive.

You know, more Canadians compared to the U.S. live closer to urban centers because of land use regulations and zoning.

Canadian housing prices have just risen astronomically in the past couple of decades.

And housing has become very unaffordable for most Canadians.

So believe or not, Pierre Polyiv, up until recently at least,

was basically winning young Canadians two to one by just simply talking about this issue of housing

affordability. And so he promised, for example, he's promised to increase housing supply by,

and use federal infrastructure funds as essentially a stick to get municipalities to move on this

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