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you listen to podcasts. I'm John Batsch you with Judy Dempsey of the International, of the Carnegie

Endowment for International Peace. Speaking of AFT, alternative for Deutschlatt, this is a party that is now polling

number two in the expectations for the Bundestag vote in 2025, second only to Angela Merkel's party, the Christian Democrats at 31, and AFD is at 20,

and sizable gains over these last years since its origins.

Judy, we mentioned Ukraine and China, but my

concern right now is its opinion of trade because that would be a vital part of

governance if it is to be a member of a coalition and I don't know at this point that that is that is expected but it can happen does it have is have, is it Libertarian? Is it Command Economy? Is it

Socialist? Do we have an understanding of its of its views of

international trade and tariffs and exchanges.

Okay, first of all, it would be very difficult to see any kind of established party admitting the AFG to a coalition,

but if it's democracy and they get all the votes, something

would have to give.

But it would be an extraordinary development.

But on terms of issues of trade, for our policy competition. The EFT, they're anti-globalization on the one hand,

but on the other hand they do see that trade and Germany's economic partners and trading partners give jobs and give the kind of stability.

And so they're quite ambiguous about this.

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