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The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

1KHO 709: Play Is Practice for the Future | Lauren and Mia Sundstrom, National Institute for Play

The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

Ginny Yurich

Kids & Family, Parenting

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Play isn’t a break from learning — it is learning. In this powerful conversation with Lauren and Mia Sundstrom — daughter and granddaughter of renowned play researcher Dr. Stuart Brown — we explore why play is practice for the future in a world that feels increasingly uncertain. From rough-and-tumble childhood experiences to teenage burnout, adult loneliness, brain health, and even leadership, this episode makes a compelling case that unstructured, self-directed play builds resilience, creativity, emotional regulation, and adaptability — the exact skills our kids (and we) will need in an AI-shaped world. If you’ve ever wondered whether play is “productive,” this conversation will change how you see your afternoons, your marriage, your parenting, and your own sense of joy. Learn more at nifplay.org and connect with Mia at miasundstrom.com. A huge thank you to our sponsors! Check them ALL out below:  BetterHelp: Visit  www.BetterHelp.com/1000HOURS  today to get 10% off your first month. Quince - Visit www.quince.com/outside and get free shipping and 365 day returns Hungry Root - Go to www.hungryroot.com/1000HOURS and use code 1000HOURS to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. IXL Learning - Head to www.ixl.com/1000hours to get an exclusive 20% savings on your membership Wayfair - Go to www.wayfair.com and shop all things home Cure Hydration- head to www.curehydration.com/outside to find a retailer near you Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Oh, oh, it's a beautiful world.

0:05.0

Ain't nothing on a screen that's ever gonna beat this view.

0:10.0

Oh, oh, it's a beautiful world.

0:16.0

And I just wanna share it with, I just want to share with you this beautiful world such a beautiful world

0:27.4

who's welcome to the 1000 hours outside podcast my name is j is Ginny Urge. I'm the founder of 1000

0:38.7

Hours Outside. And you'll never guess who's here today if you're a huge Stuart Brown fan, Dr.

0:43.4

Stewart Brown fan like I am. It is his daughter and granddaughter, Lauren and Mia. Welcome.

0:49.5

Thank you. Thanks so much for having us, Ginny. We're so excited to be here. Yeah, it's a total pleasure. Thank you. I love this story. And you know, I think we've gotten away from like a family business and like the family economy. It's something we've talked about on our show here and there. And I just think it's such a wonderful thing when there's like this legacy and you've got this book that your dad wrote and your grandpa wrote and like um you've got all these words about his grandpa and his experiences growing up and now mea you are the CEO of the national

1:17.9

institute for play i would love if the two of you would take just a moment to to share your story

1:23.0

share your story about how you got from uh you know being a kid growing up being a grand

1:28.1

kid growing up to where you're at at this moment i love it i'm going to let my mom start because you know

1:33.0

that's the chronological order right in the story of dr brown so it's nice of me to say since i actually

1:39.5

work for me i really i'm the ceo and me as the boss, as it should be, you know, we all learned from

1:44.8

our kids best, right? So I grew up in San Diego and Dr. Brown, my dad has been obviously a massive

1:52.5

influence for many, for a lifetime. He's now 93, which is just remarkable, still loves to talk

1:59.7

about play.

2:09.6

And I would say that the thread of play for me started in childhood and kind of continued, again, largely based on what he was doing. But his play, although he was studying play, sometimes it wasn't as obvious in our lives as it became later.

2:18.3

So for me, it was a thread as a child, as a student, as a competitive athlete, and then as a

2:25.3

professional and then as a parent, and now as someone who's really just trying to preserve

2:30.5

his legacy, which is so, he's kind of had play locked in his brain. He's very much of an

2:37.0

academic. He loves to talk about it. And he's been really happy to do that for a number of years.

2:44.6

The book is obviously fantastic. And over the last several years, I kind of came in and thought,

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