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Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast.

My name is Ginny Eurich.

I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside.

And I'm so excited for today's guest.

She has a podcast and a substack. They're both called The Mom Wars. Bethany Mandel, welcome. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I've been a fan for like bazillion two years. Oh, that's so wonderful. I love your substack. I laugh my way through it. I mean, and the fact that you have the podcast, it does feel like we are in Mom Wars.

And yes. I love your sub stack. I laugh my way through it. I mean, and the fact that you have the podcast, it does feel like we are in mom wars. And it's a really hard time, I think, to be a mom. There's a lot of confusing information out there. And people are really hot about it, basically. You know, I mean, they're really strong feelings and they're going to tell you. And so can you just give us the background? You've got six kids. You're doing mom wars with a friend of yours. Kara. Yeah. I don't quite know

how you know her, but you're doing this together. Six kids. Can you talk about your interest,

like heading into creating this? Yeah. So I, I love Kara. So it's funny, our husbands used to work together. My husband was her husband's boss. So she's, I feel like she's like the baby Bethany of like the next generation. But she writes for the spectator. She's the royal correspondent for them. And I loved her writing always because she hates Megan Markle as much as I do. And so I fell in love with her writing because she's

like, she's perfectly brutal about Megan Markle. And I had been wanting to do this for a while.

I think that there's a real absence of people who talk about motherhood in a rational way. There's

people who there's like the antinatalists who are like children are the worst and

we're all going to die a fiery death instantly because of climate change. But there's a lot of

these like trad wives like and I think it's funny because you could sort of call me a trad wife like

have six kids homeschool. I'm like, okay, yeah, I do those things, but I'm not a trad wife. Like

the total subservience to your husband, that's not my jam.

So I think that there's a lack of like more moderate commentary about motherhood.

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