199. Death, Meaning, and the Power of the Invisible World | Clay Routledge

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Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 54. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021. Dr. Clay Routledge is an existential psychologist, writer, and professor at North Dakota State University. He's also a senior research fellow at the Archbridge Institute and an editor for Profectus magazine. Dr. Routledge studies basic psychological needs and how they're shaped by family, social bonds, economics, and broader cultural worldviews. He has published over 100 scholarly papers, co-edited three books on existential psychology, and written several books, including Nostalgia: A Psychological Resource, Supernatural: Death, Meaning, and the Power of the Invisible World. A lot of Dr. Routledge’s work - like Dr. Peterson's - focuses on the need for meaning. The two had a wide-ranging conversation about loneliness, meaning, nostalgia, Terror Management Theory, and existential psychology. They also shared views on human progress, responsibility, religion, and UFOs. Dr. Clay Routledge Website: https://www.clayroutledge.com/ Dr. Rouledge Article on Meaning: https://www.archbridgeinstitute.org/2020/05/28/why-meaning-matters-for-freedom-and-flourishing/ ------------ [00:00] Intro [00:18] Jordan B. Peterson introduces guest Dr. Clay Routledge [01:55] How Dr. Clay Routledge got into his work [09:43] Terror Management Theory [18:33] The resistance to Terror Management Theory [22:01] Existential Psychology [27:09] The psychology of nostalgia [34:31] What elicits nostalgia [40:36] Pain responses [44:58] Reminiscence therapy and nostalgia [47:47] Collective nostalgia [54:48] Religion and its cultural impact [01:04:03] Secularism and UFOs [01:08:33] Politics, control, and meaning [01:16:36] The different kinds of meaning and the freedom of restraint [01:24:17] Filling the hole of religion [01:28:34] Human progress [01:32:38] Dr. Routldge's survey of American progress amongst university students and the apocalypse [01:43:43] Meaning across different cultures [01:48:18] Religion in free-market societies and ethical principles [01:51:56] Dr. Routledge's qualitative taxonomy on meaning [01:55:18] Responsibility and meaning [02:02:12] Loneliness [02:07:35] Dr. Routledge’s purpose with his work ----------- #JordanPeterson #Nostalgia #TerrorManagementTheory #Loneliness #Meaning Visit www.jordanbpeterson.com to view more information about Jordan, his books, lectures, social media, blog posts, and more. Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil, and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages. Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (#877, #958, #1006), The Rubin Report (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, Free Speech, Psychology, Gender Pronouns), H3H3 (#37), and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson Podcast, season 4, episode 54. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.
0:08.8	In this episode, Dad spoke with Dr. Clay Routledge, an existential psychologist, writer, and
0:15.1	professor at North Dakota State University. He's also a senior research fellow at the Art
0:20.5	Bridge Institute and an editor for Profectus Magazine. Dr. Routledge studies basic psychological
0:26.7	needs and how they're shaped by family, social bonds, economics, and broader cultural world views.
0:32.4	He's published over 100 scholarly papers, co-edited three books on existential psychology and
0:37.7	written several books, including nostalgia, a psychological resource, and supernatural, death,
0:43.6	meaning, and the power of the invisible world. A lot of Dr. Routledge's work focuses on the need
0:48.8	for meaning, so he has a lot in common with my dad there. They had a very engaged conversation
0:54.0	where they spoke about loneliness, meaning nostalgia, terror management theory, and existential
0:58.6	psychology. They also get into human progress, responsibility, religion, and UFOs, so a pretty wide
1:05.3	range of topics. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did and have a wonderful week.
1:11.4	Hello, everyone. I'm pleased to have with me as a guest today, Dr. Clay Routledge. He's a faculty
1:16.8	scholar in the Sheila and Robert Shelley Institute for Global Innovation and Growth,
1:20.9	Professor of Management at North Dakota State University, and Senior Research Fellow at Archbridge
1:26.4	Institute. Dr. Routledge studies among other topics, meaning belief, atheism, magical thinking,
1:33.6	existential economics, and entrepreneurship. He is the author of nostalgia, a psychological resource,
1:40.8	and supernatural, death, meaning, and the power of the invisible world. He has published more than
1:46.7	100 academic articles, co-edited three books, and written numerous pieces for outlets such as
1:52.4	The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, Harvard Business Review, and The National
1:57.6	Review. I first ran across his work in Newsweek where he wrote an interesting article on what you
2:03.4	might describe as the potential moral failings of universal basic income and it's failure to address
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