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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

197 | Catherine Brinkley on the Science of Cities

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2022

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

The concept of the city is a crucial one for human civilization: people living in proximity, bringing in resources from outside, separated from the labors of subsistence so they can engage in the trade of goods and ideas. But we are still learning how cities grow and adapt to new conditions, as well as how we can best guide them to be livable as well as functional. I talk with urban scientist Catherine Brinkley about the structure of cities, including the fractal nature of their shapes, as well as what we can do to make cities thrive as much as possible.

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Catherine Brinkley received a Ph.D. in City and Regional Planning as well as a degree in Veterinary Medicine from the University of Pennsylvania. She is currently Associate Professor of Human Ecology and Faculty Director at the Center for Regional Change at the University of California, Davis. She has been awarded fellowships from the Fulbright Foundation, the National Center for Faculty Development and Diversity, and the Santa Fe Institute.


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0:00.0

Hello everyone, welcome to the Mindscape Podcast.

0:02.6

I'm your host, Sean Carroll.

0:04.6

This is kind of an obvious thing to say, but cities play an increasingly important role

0:09.3

in the modern world.

0:10.5

We've talked about cities a few times on Mindscape.

0:14.0

We talked to Will Wilkinson about the relationship between urban versus rural and political

0:18.7

partisanship.

0:19.9

We talked to Joe Walston about the environmental impacts of cities, which are largely positive,

0:24.8

concentrating all of the people and their products and resources in a tiny area.

0:30.1

But the cities themselves, we haven't talked about that much, the growth of a city, the

0:33.9

shape of a city.

0:35.7

The UN estimates that by 2050, more than two-thirds of the global population will live in cities.

0:42.2

So understanding how they grow, how they form, how their shape becomes what it is, is

0:47.9

very important.

0:48.9

And by the shape, I don't just mean the shape of the boundary of the city limits, right?

0:53.5

Inside the city, there is structure.

0:55.6

The central core downtown area might have a different mix of residential and businesses

1:02.4

and manufacturing than the outer periphery does.

1:06.0

And what I like about this question is, it's a wonderful example of the differences between

1:11.0

top down and bottom up ways of making a complex system.

1:16.4

Because in some sense, the natural growth of a city is completely organic, right?

1:20.2

You have people, they want to buy some land, build something, put up some way of living

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