To hear Fred Plotkin talk about Finland can be something of a revelation.

Hi, I'm Rick Steeves. The man we know for his definitive guide to Italian cuisine also sings high praise for Finland.

Its egalitarian cultural roots in Nordic sense of design

translate into what Fred calls summer camp for adults, especially when you're

enjoying a sauna in the Northwoods under the midnight sun.

In summertime when it's completely sunny all the time and bright, I often go swimming at

2.30 in the morning because that's when my friends all go swimming.

We're getting a fresh take on Finland through the palette of Fred Plotkin coming up today on

travel with Rick Steeves. We'll also shed some light on the centuries-old animosities between

Greece and Turkey. Two women, one Turk and one Greek, join us to explain how friendship can cross borders

and Trump political interests.

It has always been about power and money, as it always every war has been.

Fred Potkin's Song of the north for Finland and uneasy cousins in Greece and Turkey.

It's all just ahead on travel with Rick Steeves.

We've all heard how Greece and Turkey don't get along, so we've invited guides from each country to explain how that old rivalry plays out today on a personal level.

They join us later in this hour on Travel with Rick Steves.

But first, Fred Plotkin tells us why what he loves about Finland is no surprise,

when you understand a little about its people.

I love meeting somebody who's passionate about a place that most people don't give a second

thought to and today we're going to talk about Finland. Finland is a place that people who know

it are really excited about it but a lot of people

just flat out don't know it. I'm joined by Fred Plotkin and Fred is quite well

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