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The Peter Attia Drive

#194 - How fructose drives metabolic disease | Rick Johnson, M.D.

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Fitness

4.77.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2022

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Rick Johnson, Professor of Nephrology at the University of Colorado and a previous guest on The Drive, returns for a follow-up about unique features of fructose metabolism, and how this system that aided the survival of human ancestors has become potentially hazardous based on our culture’s dietary norms. In this episode, Rick explains how the body can generate fructose from glucose and how circulating glucose and salt levels can activate this conversion. He discusses the decline in metabolic flexibility associated with aging, as well as how factors such as sugar intake or menopause-associated hormone changes can alter responses to sugar across a lifetime. In addition, Rick lays out strategies for combating the development of metabolic illness using dietary changes and pharmaceutical therapies, and he discusses the impact of fructose metabolism and uric acid on kidney function and blood pressure. He concludes with a discussion of vasopressin, a hormone that facilitates fructose’s effects on weight gain and insulin resistance.

We discuss:

  • Unique features of fructose metabolism and why it matters [2:45];
  • A primer on fructose metabolism and uric acid [10:30];
  • Endogenous fructose production, the polyol pathway, and the effect of non-fructose sugars [22:00];
  • Findings from animal studies of glucose and fructose consumption [29:00];
  • What calorie-controlled studies say about the claim that a “calorie is a calorie” [42:15];
  • Implications for aging and disease [51:15];
  • Impact of endogenous fructose production on obesity and metabolic syndrome [1:01:30];
  • Why vulnerability to the negative effects of sugar increases with age and menopause [1:04:30];
  • Dietary strategies to reduce the negative impact of fructose [1:16:30];
  • The role of hypertension in chronic disease and tips for lowering blood pressure [1:30:45];
  • The impact of fructose and uric acid on kidney function and blood pressure [1:39:45];
  • The potential role of sodium in hypertension, obesity, and metabolic syndrome [1:49:00];
  • The role of vasopressin in metabolic disease [1:54:00];
  • More.

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Now, without further delay, here's today's episode.

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My guest this week is Rick Johnson.

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This will be a familiar name to a lot of you as he was a previous guest back in January

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of 2020, and we recently re-released that episode in preparation for this interview, which

1:00.8

was carried out in November of 2021.

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Rick has authored over 700 scientific publications as well as three books, The Sugar Fix in 2008,

1:09.6

The Fat Switch in 2012, and his new book Nature Wants Us to Be Fat, which is February 8, 2022.

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Rick is a professor of medicine and the chief of the renal division and hypertension

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at the University of Colorado, where he conducts research, exploring the role of fructose

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in the development of obesity, metabolic syndrome, and kidney disease.

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Rick's initial episode was a really popular one, despite the technical nature of it, and

1:35.7

that coupled with a bunch of follow-up stuff is really what prompted me to bring him back.

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