What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

IndieHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of

money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these indie hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of, so the rest of us can do the

same. Today I'm talking to Jay Klaus. Jay first popped onto my radar when he posted on

Indy Hackers that he sold his community to Pat Flynn from Smart Passive Income. And you typically

don't see communities get acquired.

And that's because acquirers are really investors.

They want to buy your thing and then they want to see it get much, much bigger in the future.

And communities are kind of a tricky beast where there's no guarantee they're still going to be good as they grow.

In fact, a lot of communities get worse as they grow.

So something

that might be working really well at 100 people or 1,000 people might turn into complete and

utter chaos at 10,000 people or 100,000 people. And so to be able to sell your community means

that whoever's buying it has the utmost faith and trust in you and they really think that you're a

badass and you're

going to be able to not only grow this thing, but hold the ship together as it scales. And Jay is

indeed a badass. So in this episode, we talk about his journey as a creator. We talk about

these new audio platforms, clubhouse, Twitter spaces, how to use those to build your audience.

And we talk about the journey from

basically making zero dollars as a creator to being 100% financially independent and able to do

whatever you want. Enjoy the episode. I got like a million and one things I want to talk to you

about. But you had like kind of a cool year.

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