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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

193 | Daniels on Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2022

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Every time we make an important decision, it’s hard not to wonder how things would have turned out had we chosen differently. The set of all those hypothetical lives is a kind of “multiverse” — not one predicted by quantum mechanics or cosmology, but a space of possibilities that is ripe for contemplation. In their new movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, Daniels (the collective moniker for writer/directors Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert) use this idea to tell the story of Evelyn (Michelle Yeoh), who is the “worst” of all her avatars in the multiverse. We talk about philosophy, filmmaking, and how we should all strive to be kind amidst the chaos.

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Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert are writers and directors collectively known as Daniels. They met and formed a collaboration while in film school at Emerson College. They have directed a number of music videos for artists such as DJ Snake and Tenacious D. Their first feature film was Swiss Army Man, starring Daniel Radcliffe.


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0:00.0

Hello everyone, welcome to the Mindscape Podcast. I'm your host Sean Carroll. You may know

0:04.9

from listening to Mindscape in general or my AMAs in particular or reading any of my

0:11.8

books, there's something out there called the Multiverse. Well, what I should say is there's

0:16.3

an idea out there called the Multiverse. We don't know for absolute certainty whether

0:20.5

or not there actually is a Multiverse out there. In fact, there are different kinds of

0:24.9

Multiverse, which I would assign different credences to taking seriously. There's a quantum

0:29.2

mechanical kind of Multiverse, which I take very seriously. There is a cosmological kind

0:35.0

of Multiverse where literally just very, very far away, there's different pockets of

0:39.1

space time where things behave differently that I'm kind of indifferent about. Maybe it's

0:43.8

there, maybe it's not. There's good reasons to take it seriously, but we honestly just

0:47.4

don't know. There's also more philosophical kinds of Multiverse, the philosopher David

0:51.9

Lewis famously advocated modal realism, the belief that every possible version of the

0:58.4

universe is actually real in some sense. And the question of figuring out which universe

1:03.2

we live in is just locating ourselves in the space of all possible worlds. You may also

1:09.3

have noticed that the idea of the Multiverse has moved beyond science and philosophy to

1:15.2

narrative, to movies, TV shows, books, things like that. This is not a completely new move.

1:21.8

Fiction writers have used the notion of a Multiverse as a device for decades now, but

1:27.1

it's gaining popularity a little bit. Back when we had Scott Derrickson as the guest

1:32.6

here on Mindscape, he had just come off directing Dr. Strange, the Marvel movie, the new sequel,

1:38.4

it will be Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, which follows up on the most recent

1:42.9

Spider-Man movie, which also investigated the Multiverse idea. So it's out there, okay,

1:47.9

we're using it. There's a new movie, which I very much encourage you to see, called

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