This is the Baymont podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we walk through the second and third centuries of Church history. Why are we so not Jewish in our Christian practice today? What happened to cause such a schism between Jews and Christians?

Yeah, first little or first real episode of getting into the meat of a session five here and I probably good just to hopefully everybody listened to our last episode. Obviously the idea of it, I would imagine everybody did, but just some disclaimers that we gave there are goal here. Like this is a session on church history, but our goal here is again not actually the church history.

I'm not going to dive in deep to church history. I'm not an expert in church history. I don't have I don't care about church history in the same way. What I care about personally and what I think we care about here at Baymont is the Bible. I care about the Bible. I care about

what God, what the narrative of God looks like and what he's been calling us to do. Why church history is relevant is because I want to understand what happened, what happened to the Bible, what happened to us, what happened to us and the way we related to the Bible.

I care about the Bible. So again, like if you're really into church history, you'll be frustrated throughout the session. That's okay. There are lots of other great podcasts out there. I'm sure that dive into that. We're taking we're stepping way back. We're taking a 10,000 foot perspective. I will not be diving into the nuances. When I get to your pet period of history or your favorite topic or subject or you will often be like going to more detail or it's far more complex or nuance than that.

That's certainly all true. I'm making some sweeping observations, trying to take a huge sweeping look at what has happened throughout history. So quite frankly, Brent, you've been listening to some podcasts. You've been reading the same texts that I used when I was in college. You may actually be actually more studied and up on this stuff than I am. So you might hear Brent Billings actually chime in here and and correct me and give some thoughts on church history as we go through. It might be fun.

We'll see about that. I did have a question though. Sure. As I was reading that intro, we talked about a schism and the great schism capital G capital S. I think typically refers to the schism between the Western and Eastern Christian church much later. I don't know if we're going to talk about that probably.

But maybe maybe you would consider the Christian Jewish schism a greater schism the greater schism. Yeah, sure. I don't know. I've never even thought about that. Actually church history will actually just add more fuel to an already confusing fire because church history is really convoluted when it comes to the schisms and what they used to refer to the mass.

There's the gate. There's the great schism. There's the east west schism. But the east west schism is typically referring to a later schism like the east west of the Western world. So it's even more confusing.

So there's already some schisms that are talked about. So it can be we'll talk about all of them as we go through this session, but at least at least the big ones. But yes, this one is in my mind.

I don't know if I'd say the most important, but as far as where my reference point is coming from certainly the most important this schism here.

It's a substantial moment in history at the very least without a doubt. And and maybe I would say the reason I might not end up piping in that much is that church history and history in general is just so vast.

And there's so much to know about it. And we don't really want to make a three hour podcast episode. So yeah, you either kind of dive all the way in or you just kind of take a wider look or take an option be. Yeah, for sure.

And we do have some presentations. So you can pull that up. It won't be a whole bunch of slides, but some timelines that Brent has created for us to kind of help us some disclaimers on those.

Brent's going to do better than I did back in the past, but these aren't meant to be like perfectly to scale. They're not meant like the points of the timeline are not necessarily like perfectly positioned at just the right year.

These are meant to like step back and and be a visual aid for understanding the larger conversation. So these aren't like perfect timelines. That's not what their design is.

They're just visual aids to help us understand kind of like how the flow of history worked. Anything you would add to that Brent? No, right. Excellent. I look forward to revealing them to the listeners though. Excellent. Well, with no further to do.

Here we go. We left off with that repeated question. What happened?

Many students asked me this question, not just in reference to history of Christian, but in reference to our Judaic roots. We come from an incredibly Jewish story following the Jewish rabbi and his Jewish Talmadim.

How did we become so separated from our Jewish foundation? There are many in scholarship who weigh on on these big questions. They have their opinions from a historically respectable perspective.

I have found two opinions on this that I find plausible based on what we know today and what I understand. And one of those two plausible opinions I hold personally.

Let's start with the one I don't hold personally. The first opinion is based on an understanding of a much more defined schism between Jewish and Gentile church. And by that we really mean what do we mean there? What two characters did we speak of in session four Brent Paul and James?

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