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History That Doesn't Suck

190: An Epilogue to US Pre-WW2 Turn from Isolationism to Interventionism and the Influential Americans in London Who Brokered the FDR-Churchill Bromance

History That Doesn't Suck

ProfGregJackson

Education, History, Society & Culture

4.5 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Professor Jackson takes a step back to review themes from episodes 187 through 189 (War in Europe and America’s Response), specifically the slow turn from isolationism to aid via Lend-Lease, and eventually to preparing for war.  Prof. Jackson’s guests are Professor Lindsey Cormack, an associate professor of political science at Stevens Institute of Technology, and historian Lynne Olson, author of several books on WW2 including Citizens of London which chronicles the pivotal role played by three Americans who influenced the decisions of President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill—Edward R. Murrow, Averell Harriman, and John Gilbert Winant. Olson emphasizes how these individuals navigated the complexities of diplomacy and public opinion, often against a backdrop of American isolationism and British skepticism, ultimately building a strong relationship that was essential for the war effort.  ____ Connect with us on ⁠HTDSpodcast.com⁠ and go deep into ⁠episode bibliographies⁠ and ⁠book recommendations⁠ join discussions in our ⁠Facebook community⁠ get news and discounts from ⁠The HTDS Gazette⁠  come ⁠see a live show⁠ get ⁠HTDS merch⁠ or become an ⁠HTDS premium⁠ member for bonus episodes and other perks. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thank you. or click the link in the episode notes. Hello, my friends, and welcome to an epilogue of History That Doesn't Suck.

1:03.9

I'm your professor, Greg Jackson, and today we'll pause the narrative storytelling of our

1:08.1

normal episodes to get a little more perspective.

1:11.6

I purposely write HTDS as one ongoing audiobook with each episode a new chapter in the history of America.

1:18.1

Epilogue episodes like today are kind of a book club meeting that provides additional insights

1:23.3

to preceding chapters. From episodes 183 through 189, I've been narrating the backstory, buildup,

1:30.5

and beginning years of World War II prior to the United States entry. The two most recent episodes

1:35.5

cover events from the first year of the war in Europe and America's response, specifically

1:39.6

the slow turn from isolationism to aid for Britain and home front war preparations for a throwdown

1:46.5

that almost seems unavoidable, at least to some leaders.

1:50.2

If you haven't listened to those episodes, that's okay.

1:52.8

We're going to summarize some recently covered events and ideas today, then dive into the

1:57.5

lives of a few influential Americans living in London during the Blitz.

2:05.6

But you'll definitely want to go back and listen to those last few episodes to get a full picture. For my book club discussion today, I'm pleased to be joined by Professor Lindsey Cormack,

2:09.6

an associate professor of political science, director of the diplomacy lab at Stevens Institute of Technology,

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