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On this episode of the Most Notorious Podcast, my guest shares stories about his grandfather,

an Italian-American mob bus in a small Pennsylvania town.

I would imagine that most mob stories aren't the Godfather. Most mob stories are probably like this,

where it's all the stuff of normal family life, but woven into this experience that came out

of the Italian-American experience.

Welcome everyone to another episode of the Most Notorious Podcast, I'm Eric Rivenes.

Thank you for being here. I am so pleased to have his guest today, Russell Shordo.

He is a contributing writer at the New York Times magazine and author of multiple books,

including Revolution Song, a story of American Freedom, and the island at the center of the world,

the epic story of Dutch Manhattan and the forgotten colony that shaped America. The book he is

here to talk about today is called Small Time, a story of my father and the mob. So great to have

you here. Thank you. I'm happy to be with you. So where and when did you first get the idea to

write this book? Well, I guess I always knew that my grandfather was a small town mob figure,

but it was I think maybe you have a similar experience where there's something,

some secret or whatever in your family that everybody has kind of agreed they're not

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