Welcome to this hack policy podcast. I'm Evan Swartzropper. On today's show, hacking sex toys. Could the next cybersecurity risk be your vibrator? My guest seemed to think so. So we're going to talk about Teledildonics on today's show. Joining me is Amy Stepanovich, U.S. policy manager at Access Now, a global civil liberties and human rights organization,

and Arthur Reiser, senior fellow at R Street and director of Teledildonics Policy at our

street, and R Street is a free market think tank based in D.C. Gentlemen and lady, thank you for

joining the show. Thanks for having us. There you go. You're say it at the same time. That's good.

All right.

So before we jump into this exciting topic, what do we mean when we say telazildonics?

So it's an older term.

In 2017, what it means is this world of interconnected sex toys and other objects,

which is very interesting that they're called toys,

actually, because some of them have legitimate medical uses, but we still fit them into

this sex toy category, things that are used in intimate settings.

Right.

And they're connected to the internet in any of a number of ways, and we can get into the

different types. Yeah. And we've talked about the internet of things on this show before.

And I often use things like internet connected coffee maker or like an internet connected

refrigerator. But really, there's no reason why that wouldn't extend to sex toys and it already

has. Now, how is it a security risk to have a sex toy that is digital or has a digital component

or maybe is connected to the internet?

Just like any of the other internet of things devices, once you connect to the internet,

you're creating a vulnerability.

So it can be, that vulnerability can be exploited if the product isn't secure enough and really no product is secure enough that there can't be some way that it can be exploited in some fashion.

And so with connected sex toys, you can either compromise the connection to the device, the connection that's controlling

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