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Oh, Our guest in this episode of the You're Not So Smart Podcast is Chris Clearfield.

He wrote a book called Meltdown, Why Our Systems Fail, and what we can do about it. The premise of this book,

the thesis of this book is that when systems become so efficient, so incredibly devoid of slack,

that they run so tight and perfectly in the best of

situations all it takes is something very simple something unexpected

something small to destroy that efficiency which leads to a massive cascade

that can cause a meltdown and of course that word meltdown came from

talking about meltdowns within nuclear power plants, things like

3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, and that's something we'll talk about in the show, but

we will also talk about

toilet paper a lot in this episode because we try to kind of figure out on the fly

a unified theory of how the supply chain breakdown and the psychological phenomena of runs on the market both combined into a very weird effect during the early days of COVID-19. We talk all about that. We also go on a very

long tangent. This is one of those episodes that's just one long rambling conversation about any

and everything that comes to our minds.

And at some point, we begin talking about the book that I've been working on, and this happens

sometimes in interviews.

I usually take it out because it ends up being well when you ask someone

who's been working on a book for a long time about that book oh boy do they

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