What's up everybody? This is Cortland from IndieHackers.com and you're listening to the IndieHackers podcast.

There's been an explosion in the number of people who are using the internet to build cool stuff and making a lot of money in the process.

And on this show, I talked to the founders of these businesses and learn about the latest ideas, trends, and opportunities they're using to get ahead so the rest of us can do the same. If you've been enjoying the show, do me a quick favor and leave a rating on Apple Podcasts. It helps other people find the show, and it also helps me stay motivated to keep doing interviews. Today I'm talking to Tara Reid, the founder of Apps Without Code.

Tara is in many ways supporting the burgeoning no-code movement from behind the scenes.

She's teaching thousands of students every single year how to build her own apps, websites,

and profitable internet businesses without learning how to become software engineers and write code themselves.

And by the way, she's making millions of dollars a year while she does it. Tara Reid, welcome to the Indie Hacker's podcast. Hey, thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. You've got a ton of interesting tweets that I've been reading through. And in one of them, you said that you're struggling with the question, how big do I want my company to be?

So first of all, what is your company and how big is it already? And second, you know, you just tweeted this a few days ago. How are you working through this? Yeah. Okay. So I run a company called Apps Without Code. We've been around for four years now. We're a $5 million a year company. What our company does is we teach people how to build their own apps.

So we're at online school. years now. We're a $5 million a year company. What our company does is we teach people how to

build their own apps. So we're at online school. He's people how to build their own apps, but not

just the app, but the business around it too. And I was tweeting this because I was feeling like

I needed to reset. I feel like every level you get to, you sort of have to reset the

conversation about like, where are we going, what's the goal, what does success look like?

So I was revisiting that question, I think, like over the weekend. And I was just curious about

how other people are thinking about this. It almost felt like in my own style, I was the only one,

although I'm sure that's not the case, right, wondering like, how big do I want this to be? Because everyone's advice is like, just make it as big as possible. Just like go as hard as you can. And then you'll figure it out how big you want it to be. But I just don't feel like that's very intentional. No. I saw that reply to your

tweet. Someone was just like, as big as possible, why would you choose any other answer? And it's like,

that's not a well-considered answer at all. That's the most of the replies were. And I was just like,

I don't know that I accept that answer. What does that say about your followers?

Oh, no. It probably means that I'm like way too immersed in the like VC track world, I guess.

I, you know, it's funny because I don't view myself as being in that space.

I actually had to intentionally, like I said, this is my second company.

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