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180. Fitness Apartheid

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🗓️ 25 September 2014

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Markets are hardly perfect, but the results can be ugly when you try to subvert them.

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0:00.0

I'm Dr. Theta Palmer, Sackston. I'm a resident of 160 West 97 Street here in New York City,

0:12.6

Upper West Side. Is that enough that you need to know about this situation?

0:18.2

I, for one, wouldn't mind knowing a bit more. Why, for instance, Dr. Sackston has chosen

0:24.3

to speak out about this issue.

0:26.0

I cannot possibly be quiet while I hear something that we thought, you know, Mandela had

0:32.3

to fight about. I'm not doing that here. I did the 60s already. I've done the dogs,

0:36.6

I've done the water hoses, I've done, I'm not doing that again. Not here. This is the only

0:41.3

place I've ever even had to say a putt that I, for myself.

0:45.6

A partied on the Upper West Side of New York? So I guess we're, I'm living in a putt

0:50.6

that I need to pass. They need to give out passes and say, these are the good people and

0:55.0

these are not. I don't need to start to put on my little chest and say, oh, I'm going

0:58.5

to be put on a train or something and send off somewhere. Same concept. When you can start

1:04.2

dividing people based on value, that's dangerous. And these people here are dangerous.

1:11.6

Sackston is originally from St. Louis. She started out as a dancer and actor. She became an

1:16.4

arts in education administrator. Later, she got a PhD in organizational communication from

1:22.4

Howard University. Now she works as a life coach in New York with a special focus on women

1:28.2

over 50. Her business is called the seasoned woman. The dangerous people that Sackston

1:34.4

is referring to, they held a public forum. When there's poor woman about three rows in

1:40.2

front of me said, well, can we pay? Well, it's okay. And the aunt, we at least good enough

1:44.4

to do something. And it was something to the effect of being good enough. And the man

1:49.2

sort of, that sort of straight out said to her, no, no, I have not heard anyone to their

1:56.8

faces being told that they were not good enough to be somewhere ever. I couldn't get over

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