meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Think Again - a Big Think Podcast

180. Benjamin Dreyer (copy chief of Random House) – Really actually truly great English

Think Again - a Big Think Podcast

Big Think / Panoply

Arts, Society & Culture

4.6594 Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2019

⏱️ 54 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who don’t give a damn about grammar, style, or  syntax, and those who write aggrieved letters to publishing houses about split infinitives. My guest today, Benjamin Dreyer, is neither. As the Copy Chief of Random House, it is his unenviable task to steer the middle way between linguistic pedantry and letting these writers get away with bloody murder. Scratch “bloody”—redundancy. Before reading his hilarious and practical new book DREYER’S ENGLISH,  I think I would have imagined the Copy Chief of Random House as something like the Arbiter Eligantiae of Ancient Rome—a terrifying, absolute authority on questions of grammatical law and taste. The kind of person who walks around waving a scepter at things to be preserved or destroyed. As the book makes plain, however, there’s no absolute authority when it comes to either taste or correctness in the English language. Still, please avoid “impactful”, “utilize”, and 'very unique.”  And use the Oxford comma. And you can do away with just, really, and actually while you’re at it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Hi there, I'm Jason Gautz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

0:10.1

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who don't give a damn about grammar, style,

0:14.7

or syntax, and those who write aggrieved letters to publishing houses about split infinitives.

0:19.4

My guest today, Benjamin Dreyer, is neither.

0:22.4

As the copy chief of Random House, it is his unenviable task to steer the middle way between

0:27.0

linguistic pedantry and letting these writers get away with bloody murder. Scratch bloody, redundancy.

0:32.8

Before reading his hilarious and practical new book, Dreyer's English, I think I would have imagined

0:37.9

the copy chief of Random House as something like the Elegentier Arbiter of ancient Rome, a terrifying,

0:44.0

absolute authority on questions of grammatical law and taste, the kind of person who walks

0:48.9

around waving a sceptor at things to be preserved or destroyed.

0:52.3

As the book makes plain, however, there is no absolute

0:55.0

authority when it comes to either taste or correctness in the English language. Still, please

0:59.6

avoid impactful, utilize, and very unique, and use the Oxford comma, and you can do away

1:05.8

with just, really, and actually while you're at it. Welcome to think again, Benjamin.

1:09.9

Thank you very much. So if we do away with just really and actually while you're at it. Welcome to think again, Benjamin. Thank you very much.

1:11.5

So if we do away with just really and actually,

1:14.5

there can be no more BuzzFeed headlines.

1:17.0

I don't police how people speak.

1:20.1

You talk however you want.

1:21.6

I talk however I want.

1:23.0

And you will hear me say the word very probably 20 times

1:27.0

in the next 20 minutes.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Big Think / Panoply, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Big Think / Panoply and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.