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The Owen Jones Podcast

18. LIVE SHOW: Are Governments Guilty of Social Murder over COVID-19?

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Government, News, News & Politics, Politics

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2021

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

A concept developed by 19th century philosopher Friedrich Engels, does social murder describe the avoidable deaths of so many people all over the world in this pandemic?


We're joined by the executive editor of the British Medical Journal, Kamran Abbasi, who has written a seminal article, asking if governments are guilty of "social murder"; Camila Asano, the co-author of a study into Brazil's catastrophic response to COVID_19, and Jamie Brown from the COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice UK, who lost his father to the virus.


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0:00.0

Hello everyone, welcome to the show, whether you're watching this live on YouTube or listening

0:14.9

to our new podcast, which I'm very excited about, which we'll talk a little bit about.

0:19.6

And I apparently, I look extremely red.

0:22.0

I've just gone out for a run in my, or earlier, my metabolism is just calming down.

0:26.6

So don't, don't be alarmed that I'm about to pass out live on air.

0:29.9

It's all, all on the name of exercise.

0:31.7

So we've got an action packed show today.

0:34.0

We're talking about some very, very, very big questions about the pandemic.

0:38.6

We're talking about, I think it is that we've not had a proper conversation about in the

0:42.9

media, in politics, not just here in Britain, but elsewhere.

0:48.3

Now over two million people across the world have officially now died of COVID-19.

0:53.1

We're looking at excess deaths.

0:54.8

The actual figure may well be much, much higher.

0:58.0

We're all well aware, of course, of the social disruption, the disruption to people's

1:02.9

education, the mental health impacts, the huge economic consequences.

1:08.7

This is, of course, the biggest international emergency since World War II.

1:14.1

And ever since this pandemic began, huge challenges faced any government, of course.

1:20.4

However prepared you're going to be for an emergency of this kind, of course,

1:24.9

mistakes will be made and so on and so forth.

1:27.6

But, and there was a big, big, but so many things could have been done differently,

1:32.3

which could have saved the lives of so many people.

1:36.9

And that's what we're talking partly about today.

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