Welcome to the Jordan B. Peterson podcast episode 32 of season four. I'm Michaela. I hope everyone

had a wonderful Father's Day weekend. On this episode, my dad spoke with Andrew Doyle. Andrew

Doyle is a British comedian, author, playwright, journalist, a master of political satire, and the

voice of Tatanya McGrath. Jordan and Andrew discussed his new book, Free Speech and Why It Matters,

The Hate Crime Law in Parliament, Free Speech and Its Importance, Twitter Attacks,

Creativity, Tatanya McGrath's Story, and more. I hope you enjoy this episode.

Andrew Doyle is with me today. Andrew is a British comedian, playwright, journalist, political

satirist, and author who co-created the fictional character Jonathan Pye and the equally or perhaps

even more fictional character Tatanya McGrath. He recently published his first book, Free Speech.

Why It Matters, which came out in 2021, but previously published two more as the aforementioned

Tatanya McGrath. The first of those was Woke, a guide to social justice published in 2019,

and the second was my first little book of intersectional activism published in 2020. I haven't

met Andrew before. I'm looking forward to talking with him about Free Speech and about his satire

and about the intersection between those two and whatever else comes up. Thank you very much for

coming on today. I'm looking forward to speaking with you. Thanks so much for having me.

So shall we start perhaps with the discussion of your book? I finished it yesterday.

I've become notorious, I suppose, for my particular take on Free Speech. It was a book that

interested me. Tell me why you wrote it and what you learned and all of those things.

Well, it's not the sort of book I ever envisaged that I would have to write. I think if you go

back 10, 15 years, the idea that Free Speech, which is obviously the seedbed of all our liberties,

would be something that we would have to defend, would have probably seemed a little bit ridiculous

to me because I basically took it for granted. I thought that everyone was on that side.

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