Hi there, I'm Jason Gautz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Between subjective experience and the things most people can accept as objective facts,

their yawns a cavernous gulf. Imagine you're on a stage in front of 50,000 strangers

trying to explain what it felt like

to fall in love for the first time.

There are many ways of going about it, but it sure ain't easy.

The facts most of us agree upon, things like gravity, our own mortality, global warming,

they rest on reason, evidence, science.

Clunky and fussy, though they sometimes are, these are the best tools

we know of to test and replicate knowledge species-wide. But what happens when someone claims

that something's objectively true, but reason, evidence, and or science are insufficient to test

it? Claims of hauntings, cryptozoological wonders, or alien technology under U.S. military

lock and key.

This is the stuff of endless subredits and secret societies, of conspiracies and shadow wars between skeptics and believers.

Where evidence is lacking or disputed, things can get hella heated.

My guest today wants to weaponize your curiosity in the realms of these extraordinary beliefs.

He's Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell, a mixed martial athlete, a visual artist, and an investigative

filmmaker.

His new documentary is called Bob Lazare, Area 51 and Flying Saucers.

It raises some ghosts, some hell, and some very unsettling questions. Welcome to think again,

Jeremy. Thanks for having me, Jason. It's a pleasure. So I was thinking that I might be the ideal

audience for this documentary. Is documentary how you refer to you, call it investigative?

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