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Let's talk about that for a second.

So a couple years ago, I felt really strongly about this issue.

So I did a series of interviews, maybe five or six interviews with gay Mormons.

I tried to help a little bit with the Proposition Eighth thing, started a website with some other friends called Mormons for Marriage.

And you were supportive of that. I don't know if you remember, but you were supportive of that, and I appreciate it.

I don't remember but then.

So I thought, well, now's the time.

People talk about homosexuality openly now. People are openly gay, and they're somewhat embraced and welcomed.

Over TV shows and movies, and there's always the gay character.

Now, health rights are often extended, health insurance rights within private companies, and now there's gay marriage that's allowed in several states.

So I was thinking, okay, well, now's the time to really start talking to LDS people about this.

And I had several really progressive liberal LDS friends at the time, and I still do.

And so I started putting out these interviews, and I was surprised at how many of these people who probably don't even believe the church is what it claims to be,

who don't even view the church as the one true church, who don't necessarily even recognize the church's exclusive priesthood authority or whatever.

But when I'd say, yeah, but there's this, you know, there was the blacks and now we've got the gays.

And they would always kind of just pause, and they would kind of, they're a little uncomfortable because they didn't want to offend me.

And they would say, you know, John, that's just, that's not my issue.

That's one I'm still, I'm not there yet.

And I think that even among progressive Mormons, there's a huge percentage of them that just are not there yet.

So I'm going to, I'm going to give you some of the arguments of a traditional believing religious person or Mormon, and just maybe have you provide a case for why some of these arguments aren't valid.

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