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Pints With Aquinas

172: The marital debt, W/ Emily Sullivan

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Education

4.87K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2019

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Hey! Today I chat with Emily Sullivan about the marital debt! And no, we're not talking about money. ... Do not listen if you have kids around. Here's a little of what Aquinas had to say about the marital debt. Click the link below to get the full context: On the contrary, As the slave is in the power of his master, so is one spouse in the power of the other (1 Corinthians 7:4). But a slave is bound by an obligation of precept to pay his master the debt of his service according to Romans 13:7, "Render . . . to all men their dues, tribute to whom tribute is due," etc. Therefore husband and wife are mutually bound to the payment of the marriage debt. Further, marriage is directed to the avoiding of fornication (1 Corinthians 7:2). But this could not be the effect of marriage, if the one were not bound to pay the debt to the other when the latter is troubled with concupiscence. Therefore the payment of the debt is an obligation of precept. I answer that, Marriage was instituted especially as fulfilling an office of nature. Wherefore in its act the movement of nature must be observed according to which the nutritive power administers to the generative power that alone which is in excess of what is required for the preservation of the individual: for the natural order requires that a thing should be first perfected in itself, and that afterwards it should communicate of its perfection to others: and this is also the order of charity which perfects nature. And therefore, since the wife has power over her husband only in relation to the generative power and not in relation to things directed to the preservation of the individual, the husband is bound to pay the debt to his wife, in matters pertaining to the begetting of children, with due regard however to his own welfare. Summa, Suppl. Q. 64, A. 1. (see full question here). SPONSORS EL Investments: https://www.elinvestments.net/pints Exodus 90: https://exodus90.com/mattfradd/ Hallow: http://hallow.app/mattfradd STRIVE: https://www.strive21.com/ GIVING Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mattfradd This show (and all the plans we have in store) wouldn't be possible without you. I can't thank those of you who support me enough. Seriously! Thanks for essentially being a co-producer coproducer of the show. LINKS Website: https://pintswithaquinas.com/ Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/matt-fradd FREE 21 Day Detox From Porn Course: https://www.strive21.com/ SOCIAL Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mattfradd Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattfradd Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattfradd MY BOOKS Does God Exist: https://www.amazon.com/Does-God-Exist-Socratic-Dialogue-ebook/dp/B081ZGYJW3/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586377974&sr=8-9 Marian Consecration With Aquinas: https://www.amazon.com/Marian-Consecration-Aquinas-Growing-Closer-ebook/dp/B083XRQMTF/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586379026&sr=8-4 The Porn Myth: https://www.ignatius.com/The-Porn-Myth-P1985.aspx CONTACT Book me to speak: https://www.mattfradd.com/speakerrequestform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

G'day and welcome to Pines of the Quinus. My name is Matt Fradd if you could sit down over a pint of beer with Thomas Aquinas and ask him anyone question

0:07.1

What would it be in today's episode?

0:09.1

We are joined around the bar table by my good friend Emily Sullivan to discuss the marital debt

0:15.6

Alright good to have you back here at Pines with Aquinas the show where you and I pull up a bar stall next to the angelic doctor to discuss theology and philosophy.

0:34.4

I've had Emily Sullivan on the show before we did an episode where we talked about modesty make up and boob jobs

0:40.8

Yes that was the exact name of the podcast today we're talking about the marital debt

0:46.2

You know so do I have a right to my wife's body does my wife have a right to my body if a woman says to her husband like pay me the debt

0:53.1

In other words like not that you would ever say that way but if she's there you have sex with me does he have a right to have sex with her and vice versa

0:59.7

I know that this is a really difficult topic so I think for about the first 20 minutes we discuss Aquinas

1:06.5

we look at what he has to say in the supplementary section of the sympathology we talk about what he doesn't mean

1:11.9

because I know everyone freaks out when this topic comes up maybe you've never heard this topic addressed

1:16.9

but then we discuss what he does mean and so this is a very nuanced episode okay but we we don't hold any punches

1:25.7

if you have children nearby in ears shot don't listen to this episode only listen to this episode if you're comfortable with everyone around you

1:35.5

hearing what we have to say because we get quite personal or if not personal we I should say we talk about intimate details

1:43.0

so we talk about anal sex within marriage orgasm sex when a woman has her period yes

1:49.6

Thomas Aquinas actually addresses whether or not a man is bound to pay the debt if his woman if his wife requires

1:56.8

if his wife requires it when she's on her period we do get into a lot of topics like these okay these are sensitive issues

2:04.7

I believe that we did it with tact and but you'll have to make up your own mind but I think it's an excellent

2:11.3

episode and you're going to get a lot out of it so please give it a listen send it to friends of yours

2:15.8

who are married right now who have questions about sex in marriage you know we take some questions at the end

2:20.7

from men who are like I sometimes am not up for the task and I feel terrible about that I don't know what to do

2:26.6

so we get into real issues and we we use Thomas Aquinas to address them so here's the show enjoy

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