Hi there. I'm Jason Gatz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Everybody is always in a state of transition. All the time, your cells are dying and replacing themselves.

Your mind, your emotions, your goals, your sense of self, all of these are shifting from year to year as you age.

In families where there are children, the changes are even more visible and dramatic.

Bodies change, voices change, identity is always in flux.

But we also have an instinct to mask these changes, to find ways of minimizing them to fit in.

My guests today have a story to tell about what happens when the changes are undeniable, when they're at odds with the values of many people in your community and family.

It's about the pain and the necessity of breaking the masks you've made for yourself.

Family in Transition is a documentary film about Amit Tsuk, an Israeli father of four who transitions to become a woman, and the changes her wife Galit and their children go through.

I'm here today with Amit and with the film's director Ophir Tryanin. Welcome to think again.

Thank you.

It's good to be here.

So first of all, it's an extremely

personal story and you're going through, you and your family are going through many, many

different things throughout this time period. How and when did you decide to make a film of this

and to have the situation where you have cameras around you all the time during this period.

We didn't think at all about doing a movie.

Ophir found us and we met him.

Yeah, I'm a filmmaker and I made a few short film about LGBT parents.

Three minutes, five minutes was for the YouTube. And the manager of

this project, she told me about another story. And I heard about this story and I understood

it's going to be another short one. Right. Because it's a very big story and just, just happening.

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