Welcome back to the Place we find ourselves podcast.

Today's episode is part two of a conversation with Andrew Bauman.

We ended part one a couple weeks ago reflecting on the claim that if we engage our own stories of heartache with kindness,

then space will be created for grief to bubble up and grief brings healing to the broken portions of our hearts.

Today we go into much more depth about the whole question of what does it mean to actually grieve our wounds.

If you enjoy my conversation with Andrew, you might want to either pick up a copy of his forthcoming book,

which is entitled Stumbling Toward Holiness, or you may want to spend 37 minutes watching his beautiful film, A Brave Lament,

which is also available on Amazon. We talk about both the book and the film today. I hope you enjoy the conversation.

Alright, we are back with Andrew Bauman from Seattle. Andrew, it's good to see you again.

You as well. Always good to see your face.

Say a little bit about the film, A Brave Lament, which has been released since we last spoke. Just a little bit about what it is.

Yeah, we released a film and a book called A Brave Lament.

And so basically Chronicles, our journey six and a half years ago of losing our firstborn son, Brave.

And I was a tragic, horrific, a court accident, and my wife's womb. And right before the day he was born.

And so it just chronicles that time and our survival of that time. And so the writing of the book is really wrestling with our faith in that first year after that.

And just the tragedy in the film chronicles a longer period of time, basically are, you know, the funeral and then how we survived with our community.

And basically giving permission to people to grieve, which is a wild concept that we have to give people permission to break open their lives.

And yet that's what we've found out, journeying into people's grieves is grief is that we need permission to truly be ugly in our grief and let it all hang out.

No matter if it's a loss of a job, loss of a parent, anything that we love, we must grieve to the level in which we loved.

And that's the only way healing happens.

And the film, you know, I saw it this week.

It's available for our listeners. You can get it on Amazon. I think you can get it. Where else can you get it?

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