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on this podcast is not just interviewing people and having discussions, though that is obviously

a very important part of the discussion. We're also going to treat you with some documentaries.

Now a few weeks ago, I went to an anti-lockdown protest, not the normal sort of place that

I hang out with. I wanted to understand what makes them tick. It was pretty grim in some

ways. I'm not going to lie, but it was also very, very revealing indeed. I also spoke to

Richard Seymour, who's a really good writer. He put it all in a bit of context. Now I should

say this was recorded a few weeks ago. And alas, I'm sorry to say that the human impact

of the pandemic has since become much, much worse. So some of those stats are out of

date, but you'll, it doesn't detracts from the, the documentary and the voices that I,

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Okay, standing your own two feet on the bloody coffee cup down if you want to have a proper

conversation. Okay.

We're going to an anti-lockdown protest. Now, the polls show the rest majority of people

support lockdown. A lot of people don't think it's going far enough, but there is a minority

in this country who don't agree at all. I want to go to a protest, find out what they're

objecting to, what they really think is going on, and what's what's driving them.

So we are walking down Whitehall. The protestors supposed to be outside 10 downing street,

makes sense. You're not at the prime minister, but I can't really see any of them.

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