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The idea that we think we know more than nature, I think, is obviously a bit

ludicrous and that we really need to be spending time learning as much as we can about nature

as it existed and as it exists now in order to move forward. That was Keith Bowers, the founder and president of Biohabitats,

which is a multidisciplinary organization focused on conservation planning,

ecological restoration, and regenerative design.

Stay tuned as we're about to go into part two of our two-part extended conversation with Keith.

If you haven't already, be sure to tune into episode 167 first, which is part one of this

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