You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show.

My guest today is Gary Tobs.

Gary is an award-winning science and health journalist, co-founder and director of the

nutrition science initiative. He's the author of The Case Against Sugar, Why We Get fat, and most famously good calories, bad calories, and he's a

former staff writer for Discover and correspondent for the journal Science. He's written three cover articles on

nutrition and health for the New York Times magazine and his writing has also

appeared in the Atlantic Esquire and numerous Best of anthologies, including the best of best American science

writing in 2010.

He received three Science and Society Journalism awards from the National Association of Science Writers.

And is also the recipient of a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation investigator award in health policy research.

He lives in Oakland, California with his wife and two boys. His new book is The

Case for Kito. Here it is. Rethinking Weight Control and the science and practice of low-carb high-fat eating.

So this is a really fascinating conversation and I think really important, not just for losing

weight, maybe you want to lose some weight

maybe not but for longevity and overall health and how you feel and he makes a pretty

good case that the keto or various versions of the keto diet is really the good way to go. If nothing

else in the last 50 years we've seen a gigantic spike in obesity now about 40% of all Americans are obese and a huge spike

corresponding with that of diabetes and heart disease that goes with it and all

the other subsequent complications so So obviously we've been

doing something wrong, maybe we should try something different. In the end of the

conversation really that's all Gary is trying to do is say just consider it

just give it a try and see how you feel and I think that's a good recommendation

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