So hello, everybody. I am here with Frederica Matthews Green. Many of you probably have heard of her,

have seen her. She really is a famous author. She has written several books. She is involved in many

causes. She is really a light in the pro-life movement. She has been involved also just as an

upstanding Christian woman that has been given ways for women and for people to see

how we can live our life as Christians in the modern world.

She is also very involved in ancient faith as well, has written many blogs.

She's just all over the place.

If you just Google her, you will see that she has done many, many things.

And so I'm very happy to have her with us.

We're going to talk a little bit about, you know,

how it is as people that we can re-engage the world with meaning,

that we can kind of rediscover the shining aspect of the world,

how we can do that.

And I know she's got great insight about that.

Music that and I know she's got great insight about that.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

So Frederica, this discussion kind of started, it's almost humorous because someone pointed me to a Facebook post that you made, which was kind of like a little rant about the term re-enchantment

and how you didn't like that term. And it's true that we've been using that term, like myself, Father Andrew, many people have kind of been using that term. And so I thought it was a little, it's probably a good place to start. Maybe you can tell us a little bit, why is it that word bothers you and hopefully that'll be a

springboard for a for a deeper discussion sure yeah i think it probably will be i um i was just noticing

that as much as i sympathize with the goal of re-enchantment and as much as i i was very heartened by

you saying that it's inevitable, actually. It's reality. You know,

people have got to return to reality eventually. But I didn't like the term. I noticed I was avoiding

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