So I talked to Ken Stern, who is the author of Republican Like Me, how I left the liberal bubble

and learned to love the right.

Turns out, may I say, and I really admire him.

He's an extraordinary man in a great sense of humor.

We had a wonderful talk. You'll hear the humor that he is capable of including being

teasable, which I think is a sign of true confidence and enlightenment.

The title is a little misleading because he didn't really become a right-wing Republican,

but what he did was go enter the rituals, the ceremonies, the habits, the traditions of right-wing life in America.

He shot a pig or shot at a pig in a Texas hunt.

He went to NASCAR, went to evangelical churches, he hung out a little bit with

Steve Bannon and so on.

And so he didn't become a Maga American or even a conservative Republican, but what he did was write a title that really got everyone's attention, but he also said, you know, if we stay in our bubble, if you stay in your bubble, if you're a liberal or conservative no good can come of that.

They truly are echo chambers.

You know we truly do lock ourselves into a confirmation system which only increases our sense of isolation and that the other side

is is is peopled with people who are not really good Americans and and so that sense

that the other capital oh, whether it's the squad on the left or the

Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, Matt Gates world on the right is alien and un-American is you know we have reason to doubt the

authenticity and the validity of some of these people on the left and particularly on the

right but we can't get stuck there we can't get stuck there.

We can't get stuck there.

And when I think of the election that's coming, I'm trying to, and I urge you to think about

this and see if you agree, I'm trying to wean myself of personality and really just think about policy so I love the public lands.

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