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Core IM | Internal Medicine Podcast

#160 Moral Distress Part 2: At the Bedside Segment

Core IM | Internal Medicine Podcast

Core IM Team

Mental Health, Education, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2024

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Strategies to address moral distress and moral injury — hear from the experts on their work on the topic!

Timestamps:

(01:07) | Strategies for Addressing Moral Distress

(09:25) | Strategies for Address Moral Injury

(20:52) | Conclusion

Transcript and Show notes

Tags: IMCore, CorelM, Burnout, Moral Distress, Moral Injury, Moral Residue, Medical Humanities, medical ethics



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Transcript

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0:00.0

I used to be haunted by moral distress, but it's an emotion I've now learned to live with.

0:06.0

I still remember the shock of understanding I experienced my second year of residency when I first

0:10.3

learned the term.

0:12.1

There's a power that comes with knowing what you're up against.

0:14.4

I realized that what I was going through was an burnout or depression or self-doubt.

0:19.6

Instead, I had come to believe that sometimes things go the wrong way.

0:25.3

With understanding comes the potential for change.

0:28.2

Part of my work these days is as an ethics consultant, and when I take calls I find that while sometimes people struggle to

0:34.1

articulate an ethics question they know when something feels wrong and

0:38.1

guided by their moral intuition and the values of the patient and family they care for, we work together to define the problem and seek solutions.

0:48.0

The care plan doesn't always change, but gathering and speaking openly is itself a powerful process.

0:54.8

Welcome back to Add the Bedside.

0:56.5

I'm Margot Hedlund, a hospitalist and clinical ethics consultant.

1:00.3

I'm Joffere al-Mandri, a medical oncologist.

1:03.0

And I'm Tamar Schiff. I trained in internal medicine and am currently a post-op and bioethics.

1:11.0

In our last episode, we spoke about moral distress, which we defined as the stress we feel when we're blocked from acting on our moral convictions.

1:19.0

We also spoke about other key concepts like moral residue and moral injury as well as

1:24.3

some of their causes and consequences. In part two we want to talk about some

1:28.4

strategies for addressing moral distress. We're back now with Dr Beth Epstein, professor of nursing and ethics consultant at the University of Virginia,

1:36.0

along with Dr. Wendy Dean, a former psychiatrist who has become a leading author, advocate and podcaster on the topic of moral distress and moral injury in medicine.

1:45.6

Dr. Epstein will help us break down

1:47.3

more of those immediate patient care and teams-based issues

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