Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

Hi there, I'm Jason Gatz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Big Think is an online forum for big ideas from the world's most creative thinkers and doers.

With the Think Again podcast, we're striking out into uncharted and dangerous territory.

We're trying to see what happens when experts are asked to respond to interview clips

on topics they may or may not have any knowledge about.

We want to see what happens with no script, no preparation.

Each week, our producers tunneled deep into Big Things archives to find ideas that are

innovative, timely, or timelessly thought-provoking, and the quips are a total surprise

to my guests and to me. Today, I'm delighted to be joined by author and game designer Jane

McGonagall. She's the creator of Superbetter, a game that has helped nearly half a million players

so far tackle real-life health challenges like depression, anxiety, chronic pain, and traumatic brain injury.

More broadly, she's an advocate for the benefits of gaming of all kinds

and the applications of gaming skills to relationships, career, and mental health.

So glad to have you on the show, Jane.

Thank you, Jason. I am ready to play.

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