Hi Sasha how's going good we had our pal carry Mendoza back on today it was great yeah I've really got to know carry in the last, I don't know, eight months or so.

And I consider a good friend now. We were in London together and we worked very hard

in the W-Path files. So she has so much to offer I think as a working doctor in the ER in Chicago that she gives a real practical insight to what's going on with doctors. Sometimes I think our world,

Sasha, is so theoretical and academic and research-based that we forget, like this is being led by the people on the ground and I think the more

we can get people like Carrie involved the faster we'll get through all this.

Yeah what's particularly interesting about Carrie,

I mean first of all, she's brilliant and she helps us understand kind of how medical bureaucracy operates.

You know, people on the outside tend to have... medical bureaucracy operates.

You know, people on the outside tend to have lots of different theories about,

you know, how is it the kids are being transitioned and given mastectomies and things like that?

And there's all kinds of theories which probably play a role right like

oh follow the money or you know some kind of communal Marxist overtaking of

institutions like and then there's the academic piece and then there's the medical

kind of care as consumer care like there's all these things that do play a role

however Carrie just kind of tells us about the very mundane day-to-day

operations of a physician. And we talked about something which we've never really heard anyone

talk about, which is community health versus a teaching

hospital or university hospital so that was really interesting and she worked

through and lived through the opioid crisis. So, you know, she shared a lot of

stories about what that was like working with patients who became addicted to these

drugs and how similarities exist between the kind of like

social pressure to affirm gender just like there was the social and kind of

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