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Environmentalism isn't just about recycling and saving the planet and doing all these things.

At its core, it's about how we have disconnected from our place in nature.

And how do we find our way back in this crazy chaotic modern world that we live in today?

What does it mean that we may have entered a state of over civilization?

And how is continued automation and artificial intelligence taking over impacting our

humanity and collective well-being?

That's just the tip of the iceberg of what you'll hear today. Green Dreamer is

supported by our listener patrons and Buns, a community where people meet every day to trade things

like clothing, houseplants, furniture, and art. You can check it out first by downloading the app Buns,

spelled B-U-N-Z on your smartphone, and I'll tell you more later.

For now, to our conversation with Jennifer Grayson, who's a Los Angeles-based environmental journalist and the award-winning author of Unlashed, the evolution of breastfeeding, and the making

of a controversy.

She's also the creator and host of the Uncivilized Podcast, which is a journalistic exploration

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