What does it mean to live more with less? I'm Katie Wells and welcome to the Maximized Minimalist

podcast. If you found yourself caught up in the hamster wheel of modern day motherhood and want to

rewrite the script, congratulations you're in the right place. I'm here to be your guide and help you take

back your motherhood

and achieve a simpler, more joy-filled life. Cheers to being a maximized minimalist. Enjoy the show.

All right, listeners, we have an amazing episode for you as usual today. But my good friend,

Kaylee Kukla, childhood development expert and parenting expert,

is back on the show. We've lost count how many times she's been on. If you've been a listener

of my longtime listener of the show, you know Kaylee so well. And hopefully you've given her

a follow because, oh my gosh, the value she gives in her content workshops and I'm in her

parenting membership, which is amazing,

has been so valuable to you, a lot of my listeners, and to me and my family. So Kaylee,

welcome back to number four, number five, number six. Whatever episode this is.

Oh, Katie, I love coming on. Thank you so much for having me. It's always so much fun.

I was super excited. So Kaylee and I recently did a workshop together, and it's about summer versus

structure. So we were talking last spring, and we were talking about summer coming up.

Our kids are both elementary school age.

So it's going to be like a big summer.

She's a boy, mom.

She's got two sons as well as I do.

And we're just going to be busy with the kids.

And then we were just talking with each other and our audiences about a lot of common pain

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