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The key question is, what can we do as far as what level of economic activity again, can we

perform as a world where we stay indefinitely sustainable?

And it's again about right now, you know, economists think it's about 50% of where we are.

What exactly would a truly sustainable lifestyle with seven economists think it's about 50% of where we are.

What exactly would a truly sustainable lifestyle with 7 billion people on Earth look like?

And why has population growth been the elephant in the room in our discussions around lessening our overall environmental impact?

That's just the tip of the iceberg of what you'll hear today.

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For now, to our conversation with Terry Spar, the documentary filmmaker behind 8 billion

angels, an environmental activist, and the executive director of Earth Overshoot, which is a

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