I'm Aiton Weinstein. And I'm Naor Menninger, and you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

This podcast is made in collaboration with the Jewish Journal. In most societies today,

it's an ideal to support and respect those who defend it, namely the police and the military.

That is why when someone speaks out against these institutions, things get a bit heated, to say the least.

Today, in many societies, there are indeed movements that put into question the integrity of these institutions.

Here in Israel, one of the most controversial organizations, breaking the silence, has made it its mission to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the occupied territories,

to stimulate public debate about the price paid for a reality in which

young soldiers face a civilian population on a daily basis and are engaged in the control

of that population's everyday life.

Their work aims to bring an end to the occupation.

That is how they define their mission on their website.

Avnail Gvaliahu served in the Orev unit in the paratroopers.

He is one of the founders of breaking the silence and currently serves as its executive director.

We are excited to be joined by Avna today on the podcast to talk about our troops and the morality or immorality of the occupation.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Hello.

Hi.

I wasn't one of the founders of Breaking the Silence.

I'm happy and proud to be part of the organization the past nine plus years.

But the group itself started with a group of 63 soldiers serving in Hebron

during the peak of the second Intifada. So they served in 2001, 2004. So the first group

who started breaking the silence, actually, their first photo exhibit isn't far from where

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