#155 - Chris Sonnenday, M.D.: The history, challenges, and gift of organ transplantation

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Fitness

4.7 • 7.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2021

⏱️ 135 minutes

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Summary

Chris Sonnenday is the Transplant Center Director for Michigan Medicine. As Peter’s senior resident while at Johns Hopkins, Chris made a lasting impression on him with his remarkable leadership and ability to maintain his humanity through the stressors of that challenging environment. In this episode, Chris tells the incredible backstory of the history of transplant medicine, focusing on the kidney and the liver. He discusses the surgical and immunologic developments that launched the field forward, but also lays out the challenges ahead for the field, such as the rising prevalence of chronic kidney and liver failure. Chris also tells many stories of tragedy and triumph that comes with working in organ transplantation, but ultimately explains the rewarding nature of being a witness to the gift of organ donation.

We discuss:

What attracted Chris to medicine, and his leadership in residency (3:30);
How Chris maintained his empathy and humanity through the stresses of med school and residency (8:30);
Why Chris chose a complicated field like transplant medicine (23:15);
Explaining kidney transplantation to showcase the challenge of organ transplantation surgery (28:00);
Overcoming the immune-based challenges of transplant surgery (37:00);
How the discovery of cyclosporine transformed the field of organ transplantation (49:00);
Rising chronic kidney failure due to the prevalence of pre-diabetes and metabolic syndrome (53:45);
Why living kidney donations are superior, and the possibility of a market for kidney donation (59:30);
Designing a fair system of organ distribution (1:17:30);
The debate on what constitutes “death” when deciding when to take organs from a registered organ donor (1:21:45);
Reflections on the gift of organ donation (1:33:15);
The history of liver transplantation and why it’s so complex (1:39:15);
Addressing acute liver failure and the amazing baboon experiment (1:46:15);
The potential for the rising prevalence of NAFLD and NASH to overwhelm the liver transplant infrastructure in the US (1:54:45);
The importance of teamwork in successful organ transplantations, and the most tragic event Chris has ever witnessed (2:05:45); and
More.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, welcome to the Drive Podcast.
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0:46.3	Now without further delay, here's today's episode.
0:49.0	I guess this week is Chris Saananday.
0:54.1	Chris is the transplant director for Michigan Medicine.
0:57.6	He received his medical degree at Vanderbilt and went on to complete his residency in general
1:01.9	surgery at Johns Hopkins, which is where we met.
1:04.7	He went on to complete multiple fellowships, the training, trauma surgery, pedobiliary,
1:11.2	oncology, and of course, transplant surgery.
1:14.1	More than any of Chris' academic accolades, the thing that makes him most special to me
1:18.4	is just the kind of human being he is.
1:20.6	Some of you may have heard me talk about Chris in the past.
1:22.4	I've spoken about him on multiple podcasts, both this podcast and other podcasts where
1:27.5	I've been interviewed.
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