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This is Reasons to Be Cheerful with Ed Miliband and Jeff Lloyd.

Hello, hello. We're joined for one of our summer conversations that I'm really looking forward to

this conversation by Wendy Liu who's written a really fascinating part memoir, part lifting the lid

on working in tech. It's called Abolish Silicon Valley and she joins us from San Francisco. Wendy

thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for inviting me. So why don't we sort of start

at the beginning. Abolish Silicon Valley is about your experience of both working in the tech

industry and then leaving it. Maybe we should just start by saying because I think it's important

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