Good day, Thomas Jefferson Howard podcast listeners.

Oh boy, what a show this week.

We got an email and you can give us a little more background because this gentleman reached

out directly to you Clay, but we received an email from Vince D. Piazza, who is the city

manager of Uvalde, Texas.

He wrote back to him and said, we'd like you to come on the show and discuss this and

he was gracious enough to immediately respond and, well, that's the show this week.

Well, Vince is a long time listener to the Jefferson Howard and he has things he wants

to say.

And so he reached out to us and said that he would be willing, although he's not eager

to appear on the Jefferson Howard to talk a little bit about this.

He's the city manager, which is an appointed office, it's not an elective office.

But David, you can imagine that in the aftermath of this, with the scrutiny by the media, by

politics, by national law enforcement and so on, by Congress, that the pressures on

the mayor, on the city council, on the city manager and their staff have to be gigantic.

And so even that he had time to spend with us to talk is interesting to me.

And I thought he had, you know, he really did not want to talk about the great national

U.S. gun debate.

He wanted to talk about what we can do if nothing changes in our gun laws.

This was really hard on me, you know.

You've had, you've, you've undergone something similar to some of this.

Well, yeah, you know, it's, I lost a child about 15 years ago.

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