This is Hidden Killers Week in review.

I look back at the most prolific stories of the week.

This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case

against Karen Reid.

Today we are unpacking what might be one of the most psychologically loaded moments in

the Karen Reid trial so far. We're actually going to go after a lot of

moments, but we're going to start out with Jennifer McCabe's raw emotional testimony about the

morning John O'Keefe's body was found. McCabe breaks down in court recalling how Karen allegedly

screamed, there he is before anyone should have known where he was,

and started asking, did I hit him before there was any confirmation that he was even dead

or in the snow or in any place where Karen could have hit him?

Add that to the chaotic borderline panicked early morning calls,

the physical reaction at the scene,

and you've got a cocktail of possible trauma, guilt, or something far more complex. So

joining us today to sort through all of that from a psychological perspective is psychotherapist

and true crime mind reader in chief. So somewhat, you know,

Chavon Scott, Chavon, when someone starts asking, did I hit him before anything's even out

there, before we even know he's in the snow dead. He could be sleeping on someone's couch.

He could be, as Karen feared, he's sleeping with someone else.

He could be in someone else's bed.

He could be anywhere.

What does it tell you about Karen Reed, in this case, initially before anything else happens, thinking that John is dead and could

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