So on today's episode of the Shud and Sit Down podcast, I'm talking to Andro Navarro, previously of fantasy flight games, then of chip theory, and now doing their very own thing, Earthborn Games, a brand new,

exciting thing which is really focusing on the idea of making exciting games, but with sustainability

being at the core of their production. And on today's podcast, we're going to be talking to

Andrew about some of his history, some of his time at FFG, moving on from FFG, a bit of stuff

to do with the things at Chip Theory, and then also excitingly talking about what comes next,

how sustainability becomes a part of that, and hopefully how we can look at sustainability

across the whole industry, because it's an issue that we take pretty seriously these days.

Andrew, thank you so much for coming along and having a chat.

Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me on, Matt. This is awesome.

So we have had quite lengthy chats a couple of times when I came to FFG to do the Twilight

Imperium sort of big documentary thing, which ended up sprawling out of my hands and being a

terrifying creature. Kind of like the game itself. Yeah, yeah. And I still, I have very, very clear

memories of sitting and playing a kind of half game of TI with you and some other folks

in a meeting room whilst having some pizza. And it was the first time I'd ever played the game.

So it's weird that actually I did the majority of the work on the interviews for that

without actually ever having played TI. And I was pretty shocked, as I told you at the time,

I think, to discover that actually it wasn't that complicated. There's a lot to remember, but really, it's a pretty simple, as I told you at the time, I think, that to discover that actually it wasn't that complicated.

There's a lot to remember, but really it's a pretty simple, dumb thing about making threats

and most of them being hollow.

You started at FFG.

You were there for 15 years almost today, right?

Yes, just a little bit over.

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