Hey, everyone. This week's part two episode is a continuation of the

24 Southern California Gang Conference Catch Up Interviews with previous guests on Game of Crimes.

So without wasting any more time, let's bring on today's guests.

And our next guest is from episode 108, and that's John Norris who was a California wildlife officer John

welcome back on dam of crimes brother oh man Steve it's good to be back on and we

finally get to meet in person because this is the first time we've been face to face

since doing that episode because we're all the way across the country and to do it here at the Southern California gang conference what a treat.

Good to see you again.

Absolutely brother. I love coming to this when the folks here at the conference were asking me who did I think would be good speakers.

This is all above board. You immediately came to mind because I was so impressed with not only what you did but your book and we'll give you a shout out on your book here

the it's called the Hidden War how Special Operations Game Orans are

reclaiming America's wild lands from the drug cartels.

And you folks, if you haven't listened to John's episode,

go back and listen to it, please,

because it's one that, it was kind of like John Mattingly.

It really ticked me off about what the Mexican cartels were doing to grow weed marijuana here in the United States,

but the diversion of resources is what really ticked me off.

Yeah, yeah, it's kind of eye-opening people still are shocked to hear that the the cartels

operating you know throughout all of America in a lot of crimes Steve and you said it

best on our last podcast we did that first episode the

poly criminality of the Mexican cartels now the Chinese cartels which we can

talk about today because some fresh stuff has dropped since we had that first

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