Good day, Thomas Jefferson Hour, podcast listeners, and as always, thank you so much for listening to the program.

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You can also go to Jefferson Hour.com to find out about all the upcoming events on Clay's schedule, including a trip to France and some, you have some more locks of lodge meetings coming up. Do you want to talk about that?

There are two retreats in January of 2023 at locksaw lodge west of Missoula in a wonderful winter sort of wonderland, not cold, but snowy.

And snug we are in our meeting room with a great roaring fire. But the themes for this coming January are the return journey of Lewis and Clark.

That gets almost no attention in Lewis and Clark studies because the author has spent most of her or his time getting them to the Pacific, and then kind of rushes them back to St. Louis, but the return journey is in many respects as interesting as the outbound and in some respects more.

So that's one and the other one is on two novels by Dostoevsky. I can only do two because they're so long and and and wonderfully complicated.

One is the crime and punishment, which is virtually my favorite novel. And the other is the brothers Carmotsov, which some people believe to be the greatest novel ever written.

So those two novels for one five day retreat and the other, the return of Lewis and Clark, but more immediately, I'm starting an online course now on the enlightenment and its discontents.

And we'll be reading Voltares Candide, the fabulous magnificent gulliver's travels by Jonathan Swift, which is actually a much darker book than you remember.

And then you've all Harari's recent masterpiece, homo Deus about his optimistic view of the future. And David before we go, I just want to say I watched him yesterday.

This would be in mid-March in an interview about the Ukraine situation. He was in Tel Aviv, I think.

And he was, it was a 48 minute interview. You can find it on YouTube. And he was absolutely stunning in his insights. I mean, he is one of the best minds of our time.

He knows where of he speaks. And he wrote about, he spoke about the Ukraine catastrophe in such moving and insightful ways. And what he basically told us is that this destabilizes the entire world.

That the whole world is going to pay a price for one hubristic man's savage attack on a sovereign neighbor people that this is not a regional conflict.

It may not become World War III, but this is something that's going to have ramifications across the planet, not just in higher prices and inflation and higher fuel costs and so on.

But it may create copycat invasions. It shatters the world order that was established after the debacle of World War II.

And he believes that the world must stop this before it becomes a new norm. And he, of course, also is not absolutely certain that this will not end in the use of nuclear or chemical weapons.

So it's a brilliant superb interview with you, Val Herari, that anyone can find for free on YouTube.

Meanwhile, let's get to this week's show. It's another Clay Jenkins and one-on-one conversation, just a fascinating woman who's written this great book, an Aniformer student of yours, Joanne Freeman.

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