It's almost like the can't beat them, join them, but they're still trying to beat them to assert a degree and it's by going even further.

What? Okay. What do we do about this? Is there anything? And how can you be on the pro AI side here?

AI does have a bunch of benefits when it's designed for human values and not for the tech, the technology and the oligarchs who are, you know, trying to control everything or sorry, mostly do control everything.

Now, this question of whether AI rules as a scientific and headline grabbing, but actually kind of uninteresting, the really interesting question is the tech of AI, which is much more mundane and down to earth, but actually changing the world as we speak.

Welcome to episode 144 of the Michaela Peterson podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson with tree allergies. Sorry, I didn't give you guys a podcast last week.

I had no voice and my voice is kind of back. This might be what I sound like forever. We will see. This is an opposing views episode where I interviewed two people with vastly different views on a subject.

This episode was about artificial intelligence. In this episode of opposing views, we discussed the existential risk of AI, job automation, mass surveillance, deep learning, government AI, and the XCEO of Google pushing for facial recognition and social credit systems in our community.

America. My first guest was the entrepreneur filmmaker podcast host and author Andrew Keen. Andrew also hosts the award winning documentary and TV show How to Fix Democracy, although he wasn't exactly optimistic about fixing America.

My second guest was Steven Umbrello, the managing director at the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies and editor of ethics and robotics. Steven holds a PhD in the ethics and design of AI.

He's the one who told me about the X Google CEO and what America has planned for its citizens. Dun, dun, dun.

Let me know who you found more convincing in the comments section or perhaps both guests are right.

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Andrew Pee, welcome to my podcast. Well, thank you so much, Michaela, for inviting me.

Before we get started, can you give a brief background about who you are and what it is you do?

I'm a internet entrepreneur based in San Francisco, California on the edge of Silicon Valley.

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