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143. Why Bad Environmentalism Is Such an Easy Sell

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🗓️ 24 October 2013

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Being green is rarely a black-and-white issue -- but that doesn't stop marketers and politicians from pretending it is.

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Please identify yourself, name, rank serial number, whatever version of rank and serial number

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you wish to convey.

0:11.6

I'm Ed Glazer, the Fred Nell and a glimp Professor of Economics at Harvard, where I also direct

0:15.8

the Talman Center for State and Local Government in the Rappport Institute for Greater Boston.

0:19.4

Okay, you've said that a few times before.

0:24.2

The short version is that Ed Glazer is an economist at Harvard, and he studies a number of interesting

0:29.3

things, but his obsession seems to be with the city.

0:33.0

In fact, we did another podcast with him a couple years ago called Why Cities Rock.

0:38.2

Glazer looks at cities from a number of angles.

0:41.0

How they deal with housing booms and busts, how they incubate ideas and wealth, how much

0:48.1

cities pollute compared to suburban and rural areas.

0:51.9

Glazer argues that cities are, in fact, very green.

0:55.4

Apparently because if you live in a city, you share so many resources with so many other

0:59.7

people.

1:00.7

So, Ed Glazer is what you might call an urban environmentalist.

1:06.0

It is not, as you can imagine, an overcrowded field, so I was interested to see a new paper

1:11.7

that Glazer wrote called The Supply of Environmentalism.

1:16.6

What does he mean by that?

1:18.1

The conversation starts here.

1:21.1

I actually do believe that almost all environmentalists are motivated by relatively benign forces,

1:25.4

and they're trying to do good for the world.

1:26.9

And I do not think on net that environmentalism isn't a good force.

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