We go behind the awards podium where the NCAA official looks at both Thomas and myself.

Of course, Thomas towering over me and he says, you know, great job you two, but you tied.

We only have one trophy.

We're going to give the trophy to Leah.

12-time All-American swimmer, Riley Gaines,

talking about her presentation at the 2024 issues,

et cetera, making the case conference.

And when I asked the dreaded question of why, you know, why are you adamant on giving the

trophy to the man and the women's 200 free even though we went the exact same time.

I actually appreciate their honesty because he looked at me and he said,

well, I'm sorry, Riley, but we have been advised

as an organization that when photos are being taken it's crucial that the

trophies in Leah's hands. You can meet and hear Riley Gaines making the case

against men competing in women's sports at this year's Making the Case

Conference Friday, July 12th and Saturday, July 13th, at

Concordia University Chicago.

Learn more at issue ZTC.org. dot org. Were the Apostles, Peter and John, simply being defiant, when ordered not to preach or teach in Jesus'

name, they said we must obey God rather than men.

How do we thread the needle of obedience to rightly ordained earthly authorities and

obedience to God.

Welcome back to issues, etc.

I'm Todd Wilkin.

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